Feb / 27

Extracurricular Activities and Inclusion Outside of School [IEP 017]

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Although schools have made much progress with regards to understanding and accommodating children with special needs, what happens when that child wants to participate in activities outside of school? In this episode, we discuss resources, programs, and activities that exist outside of school that can help.

Full show transcript available at the bottom of this post.

Things You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • How do we build an inclusive society for kids living with disabilities outside of school as well?
  • How can you find the right non-profit organization or resources that are right for your child?
  • What educational resources are available to help members of society increase their tolerance and understanding of children living with special needs?
  • What can you do as a parent to teach your child to be more tolerant towards other students?
  • How are these programs able to carry children into adulthood?
  • Which companies help adults with special needs prepare for the workforce or help them find jobs?
  • Aside from sports, where can you take your child if they are interested in the arts, music, or technology?
  • How can therapy dogs help special needs kids and what type of training is available for parents regarding dog assistance?
  • What are the various circumstances special needs children experience on a daily basis and how can society help them?

Resources Mentioned:

AYSO VIP Program

“Autism Speaks” commercial

Best Day Foundation

Adaptive Sailing

The Department of Rehabilitation


The Fair Labor Standards Act Section 14(c)

The Miracle Project

The National Arts and Disability Center at UCLA.

Google Impact Challenge

Staples Center sensory kits

Flight simulation 

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 Full Show Transcript

Vickie Brett:                      Welcome to the Inclusive Education Project. I am Vickie Brett.

Amanda Selogie:              I am Amanda Selogie. We’re two civil rights lawyers on a mission to change the conversation about education, civil rights, and modern activism.

Vickie Brett:                      Each week we’re going to explore new topics, which are going to educate and empower others.

Amanda Selogie:              And, give them a platform to enact change in education, and level the playing field.

Vickie Brett:                      Hi. Welcome to the Inclusive Education Project. We have a really great topic today that we’re going to be talking about: Extracurricular activities outside of the school. We have a lot of focus on what happens in school, and even with sports and things like that, but a lot of times socialization of different children with disabilities happens in school, and it happens outside of the school.

Part of the reason that we do that is because we want to be inclusive. We want to be a community that provides opportunities for inclusion. I think that inclusion and opportunity and community are really the values that we seek to kind of have this podcast really bring to light.

This is an exciting one. I got right into it. I didn’t even say, “Hi. How are you.”

Amanda Selogie:              Hi.

Vickie Brett:                      I was so excited-

Amanda Selogie:              Hey, no. This goes to the root of everything that we do. The whole point of everything that we do in leveling the playing field in education is that these children are able to be included in the community once they are done with school.

I mean, with this new political climate we have, and looking at how do we build a more inclusive society, I mean, it stems from a lot of things. It doesn’t just stem from school, but it stems from having opportunities outside of school as well. So it is, it’s an exciting topic.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, there’s a lot of resources no matter your political views of whether we should have a bigger government, or a smaller government, or whatever. There are always going to be people, or especially non-profits that filled the void, right?

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      Because the government is not going to do everything. So, that’s why a lot of these resources come from non-profits, and we see people … I mean, you don’t have to reinvent the wheel, you know?

Amanda Selogie:              No.

Vickie Brett:                      I feel like a lot of parents, “Oh, I have to do a play group just myself,” and it’s just like, there’s already so many play groups out there-

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      Or, even different non-profits that have social skills … just off the top of my head, like the Boys Town?

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      They had different programs in LA-

Amanda Selogie:              Social Skills classes.

Vickie Brett:                      Social Skills, but specifically for … yeah, social skills. So, it’s just like, if you didn’t know that they existed, or you hadn’t Googled it, you would just think, “I have to find an ABA person to help me,” and it’s like, no, you don’t have to reinvent the wheel.

Amanda Selogie:              Or, a lot of parents think … like the outside services I provide for my child are the therapies: speech therapy, occupational therapy, physical therapy. You know what? These kids are kids, and they should be able to have a little fun. So, today, we really wanted to talk about kind of that fun side.

What can you be doing? There’s so many resources. I mean, I talk to parents all the time where I’m finding out new resources from them, I’m telling them about ones that I know of, and there’s so many organizations out there. So, we hope to just give you kind of a glimpse into a few.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, I mean, we start with … okay, why do we want to include children with typical developing peers, or general education peers? It’s because other children could be positive peer models. Once they are with their peers, a lot of times we see kids … they’re actually really positive. And then, the child with disabilities will get positive reinforcement, will get a sense of belonging, and would be prepared to enter into the community.

One of the things that we see a lot of times with children with autism is they have difficulty socializing and communicating. We like to say, “Are we preparing them for that water cooler talk?” Because, in school, they could be very structured. But, when you’re in the work environment people sometimes talk around the water cooler.

Amanda Selogie:              Well, I mean, even just the idea of asking for help when you need it, if you’re at work. Or, look … a lot of things, it comes with practice, right? Even kids who don’t have disabilities who are shy kids, it takes them a lot to get out of their shell.

Maybe they’re not out of their shell really until they’re in their 20’s, takes that much amount of practice of being around other people, that are not necessarily like them, and so when you have a kid whose in a special day class, the majority of his education, and he’s not around typical peers, the minute they enter the workforce, if they go and get a job, this is like their first bite in reality. That’s not good.

Vickie Brett:                      We’re talking about children living with disabilities. This is the opportunity to feel included. But, let’s talk about the rest of the community. When you have students that may not necessarily grow up with someone with a disability, and they have someone in their class … I know you’ve said it before where you’ll have kids fight over whose going to take Billy and his wheelchair out to recess, or things like that.

It’s positive for our community as a whole to not … I mean, back in the day, if you had a disability, you were sent off to a school and maybe your family visited you once every four months. You were completely isolated. But now … the other day, oh my God, what were they watching? I was watching … it was a commercial … oh, it was Autism Speaks had paid for a commercial.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh.

Vickie Brett:                      Now I have to find it, and now we’ll put it in the show notes.

Amanda Selogie:              Okay, I want to watch it.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, we’re going to watch it. We’re going to live podcast it, and [crosstalk 00:05:49]

Amanda Selogie:              Maybe a live Facebook.

Vickie Brett:                      Oh yeah, we could do that, too. It was great. It was just like kind of telling this little story of this little Claymation person and in my mind I was like, “This is like a child with autism,” and I’m like, “Where is this commercial going? What’s happening?” And it totally was.

Amanda Selogie:              Wow.

Vickie Brett:                      It was just like, “Sometimes he has a hard time talking to people,” and it was just this whole thing … I was like, “Oh, my gosh. This is amazing.” But, like 10 years ago, you wouldn’t see a commercial like that-

Amanda Selogie:              No.

Vickie Brett:                      On television, like, at all. So, it’s like … again, these values, right? The opportunity for the child to be included, but for the community as a whole-

Amanda Selogie:              Well yeah, I mean we talk about just tolerance and acceptance of other people.

Vickie Brett:                      And, understanding.

Amanda Selogie:              It comes from understanding, and it comes from … we’ve talked about this before. It comes from your childhood. If you’re taught growing up that people who are different are not as good as you, then you’re going to become an adult who thinks the same way. You’re going to be someone who has power and Tweets mean things about people because they’re different.

Vickie Brett:                      Right.

Amanda Selogie:              Sound like anyone familiar?

Vickie Brett:                      Right.

Amanda Selogie:              Anyway, I digress. At the end of the day, we’re talking about making sure that it’s not just about everyone being included into the same thing, but be nice to each other and accepting one another because-

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, we’re not trying to be a communist society.

Amanda Selogie:              Right.

Vickie Brett:                      That’s not what we’re saying.

Amanda Selogie:              It’s like, yeah, you can put a kid into a program, but if they’re not accepted into that program, then it’s not going to be good.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, and not even accepted. If it doesn’t work, if you’re like trying to … I feel like there’s some kids, like very babies, and I know it kind of speaks to what you’ll get into with AYSO, but some kids just don’t get soccer. They just stand in the field, and it’s just like … we’re not forcing you as a soccer coach to take my kid with special needs and completely everything. That’s not what we’re talking about.

We’re talking about … when we talk about leveling the playing field, all we’re talking about is the opportunity, and there’s so many organizations that are out there that are already doing that. And just a couple of overviews … so, we’ll talk about some sports programs that are out there, we’ll talk about even when you’re an adult, some of the vocational programs and other non-profits that help adults. We’ll talk about some technology that’s helpful, and then just basic tools that we think are cool as resources.

But yeah, getting right back into the sports. You coach for AYSO. That’s soccer, but you coach a specific type of team.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, so I think I’ve touched on this before, but I coach the VIP program, so the Very Important Player program through AYSO. AYSO has a wonderful program, and it’s region to region. Not every region has them, but I’m in the AYSO Region 56 Huntington Beach, and so all of our students in the VIP program are children living with disabilities that can’t otherwise play on the mainstream teams.

But, our program is unique to other VIP programs we have practices every week, just like any other team. We have games, just like every other team. And, we actually play the mainstream teams. So, we play the girls teams sometimes, we play the boys team. It’s a regular game. During our practices-

Vickie Brett:                      And it’s mixed. You have boys and girls on your team.

Amanda Selogie:              Yes. Yeah. Our program, because it’s basically one team, there’s two of us coaches, and then we have high school buddies who are our one-to-one, so the students that need the one-on-one. But, we teach it … we treat it like it’s any other team.

The other coach that I coach with, Vanessa, she coaches a mainstream team as well, and she coaches them essentially the same. I mean, yeah we break down the skills and the drills and everything, but we teach them about positioning, and throw-ins, and scoring goals, and kick-offs, and all of that. We treat them like they’re any other player.

Vickie Brett:                      So, that’s different than … I know you were telling me about a client of yours that … the Anaheim Ducks, they have this … I don’t know if it’s necessarily new. From what I saw from the clip it looks like he’s been trying to get this going, but it was this Top Flight program. So, do you know the difference between the two? Yours sounds more like a team, where you’re playing mainstream teams, but the Top Flight program, it made it seem like they were working on just the team itself.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, it might be working on skills. I mean, I’m sure they play, but they may play each other.

Vickie Brett:                      That’s what it seemed like to me, that’s what I wanted to talk about, the difference between what you do with AYSO and what they might … and they may eventually get there, but from what we saw recently.

Amanda Selogie:              With AYSO, it’s ability to have these kids be in the … I mean, AYSO, I grew up playing AYSO. I mean, a lot of people did in California. I have friends that came from outside of California and they’re like, “AYSO, what’s that?” And I go, “Youth soccer.” It’s that opportunity for them to play. We structure our program really to make sure that they have the opportunity to play just like everyone else.

But, like you said, not every kid is going to necessarily like soccer. We’ve definitely got players who have thrived, and have done so well that they ended up switching to the mainstream teams a couple of years later, and then we have other ones that they just don’t find an interest in it. I mean, I had friends growing up. One of my best friends, Michelle, she was not into soccer. She would rather be out there painting her nails.

Vickie Brett:                      Right.

Amanda Selogie:              She talks about this to this day. So, any kid … but, the opportunity, a lot of people when they’re like five or six in California get signed up for soccer, but then they don’t always stick with it. So, these kids should have that same opportunity.

Vickie Brett:                      Right, so then the Top Flight program is a little different. We don’t know too much about it, but we had heard from one of Amanda’s clients that had joined it, and from what their outreach director was saying was that for a while he was doing street hockey, and it was just kind of like focusing and giving an outlet for these children. So, they may not … and I’m sure that there’s like events and stuff where they’re completely integrated, but that’s the point.

You want to look into the programs and see how much face time are they getting with … are they “mainstream”, are they like Amanda’s soccer kids, where every week they have practice and then they’re playing a team, and that is even different from the OC Kickboxing MMA studio that you’re also a part of, but personally.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, so I do a kickboxing class at OC Kickboxing and MMA out in Irvine. Shout out to them. They actually have a program called the All Star MMA Kids program, and Felipe, if you’re listening, you are still going to get on. We’re going to have you talk about this program, because I know it’s an awesome program.

But he coaches kids with disabilities with kickboxing and MMA, and it’s an amazing program. That one is a class specifically with kids with special needs, but the gym always has so many people in and out. So, I’m sure they still get involvement with the typical kids, because there’s a kids program there.

And, there’s a lot of programs like that where … just to kind of list off a few, there’s a lot of sailing/surfing classes, there’s adaptive sailing through US Sailing, there’s the Best Day Foundation, which does beach obstacle courses: tandem surfing, body boarding, kayaking, that sort of thing.

So, there’s programs all across the country, and across the state, that do specifically training kids in certain sports, and then there’s other ones that are very inclusive so it’s like a general program for kids, and then they have certain supports. Like, how in VIP we have our one-on-one aides. So, it’s like a typical program, but then they have the support. Of course, there’s the Special Olympics, which we were a part of.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, we were a part of when they made their way to California. It was at … I think USC hosted some of the … that was like the basketball-

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, it was the Special Olympics Word Games.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, the World Games.

Amanda Selogie:              In 2016? Or 15?

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah …

Amanda Selogie:              15 or 16?

Vickie Brett:                      It was either 15 or 16.

Amanda Selogie:              It was in LA, the World Games.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, I think it was 2015.

Amanda Selogie:              I think so, too.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              And, it was an amazing experience.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, that was great. There was all sorts of different kids and adults with different disabilities. They could have learning differences. We might have somebody come on whose been part of it.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      And they can talk more about that. That’s … just like parents that are like, “You’re going to be a super soccer star,” and, “You’re going to go to college,” we have that at the Special Olympics.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      You could be a world champ. It’s a great opportunity for them to meet other … I think for Huntington Beach, the host city … was the host city for Australia-

Amanda Selogie:              Australia, yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      So, we got to meet a bunch of-

Amanda Selogie:              Oh my gosh.

Vickie Brett:                      Oh my gosh.

Amanda Selogie:              That was so much fun. We did like a scrimmage with the practice with them. That was so much fun.

Vickie Brett:                      Oh yeah, Tot Soccer, yeah. That was a lot of fun. So, those are things with sports that we can include our kiddos living with disabilities and another area, vocationally-wise, when they’re adults … shout out to Ken again. I talk about him all the time. When he graduated from high school after being a fifth year senior, the Inland Regional Center had actually taken over, and tried to help him get a job.

So, then they had a program and some of the regional centers are better than others. Now, that he’s in a different state, they don’t have regional centers, but they have the Department of Rehabilitation, which in California, they can come in and help you as well. Sometimes, you’ll see them at IEP meetings, and things like that. It just depends on the parent. They’re not coming to you.

The district, technically, is coming to you, or your part of the district, so it kind of just happens. It can wash over you, but once your child is an adult, those things don’t come as easily.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh yeah, you have to request it.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah. Yes. The regional centers here in California may help with getting a job. So, just speaking from Ken’s experience was yeah, they helped him, they set him up with the resume, they had interviews with him, they had mock interviews with him, and then they had their own different companies that they worked with.

So, the first one was … I think it was [Stater 00:15:17] Brothers, so that’s where he got his grocery job. He was a bag boy. I think he kind of started as a bag boy, and then he went into stocking the room. I know he’s had a different experience when he’s been in the state that he’s living now, but they had helped him get his resume together, and do the interview process.

It was like, it was almost kind of like more handholding, which was great. But, some companies actually do that on their own, and one example is the Goodwill. They have a program, which is job training, and different employment services, and just from their website they indicate that they have more than 260,000 individuals who have reported having a disability that they have employed or gone through their training.

Amanda Selogie:              Wow.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, and that at least have gone through their training, I guess. Then, they, on their website, go on to further explain like 30,000 of Goodwills, 113,000 employees have a disability. So, those are like current people. So, like through different federal laws, mainly the Fair Labor Standards Act, Section 14C, which allows for like reducing … if you have a disability and you work for them, there is like a reduced minimum wage.

I think we should have an employment attorney come in and like talk about the ins and outs, because that’s just not our area of the law. But, our understanding is that if they’ve applied, and they got this waiver, there could be a reduction in the minimum wage that this person with a disability may be getting if their disability affects them doing their job completely. So, that’s our minimum understanding of it.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, it sounds like they have a program, and I’ve seen businesses in Huntington Beach that employ and they work with the Goodwill, so they get certain services through the Goodwill as support for these individuals, and the individuals are not expected to do the same job as say any other employee that would be right off the street or something, so that’s something that we’ll have to have an employment attorney come on board to talk to us more about the ins and outs of that, but the program is there. Like I said, all those vocational programs are there.

Vickie Brett:                      So, now we kind of get into arts and technology. We have come across a couple of different foundations, and other non-profits. I know, Amanda, you were talking to me the other day about the Best Day Foundation.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, that was the one where they have beach obstacle courses and everything.

Vickie Brett:                      So, yeah. That’s one of the ones under the sports.

Amanda Selogie:              The Miracle Project is associated with the Help Group in LA. They’re an arts and theater program. They actually did, I think, Autism the Musical, and won a bunch of awards.

Vickie Brett:                      Oh yeah, I remember that.

Amanda Selogie:              That’s the kind of program where … okay, so we talked about kids who were in sports, but just like anyone else, not everyone is good at sports, or even like sports, right? And, we have our kiddos that are very good at art, theater and music. There is programs like the Miracle Project, or the National Arts and Disability Center at UCLA.

For technology, there’s actually … it’s up and coming a lot of coding programs, because we have these kiddos who are so good at computers, and tech, and it’s like … we’ve had kids where they’re completely non-verbal, but they can do anything on an iPad, or they can take apart a toaster, and put it back together, right? They’ve just got that mind for that sort of thing.

So, there’s really great programs that they’re starting to have out there for that, because that’s an area that these students can be going into. It’s a trade. So, they can be doing it while they’re in school as an extracurricular after school.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, and Google in 2015, I think, started this Google Impact Challenge Disabilities, which was pledging $20 million dollars in grants to at least 29, 30, depending on how much they needed non-profits, that were using technology to help with accessibility challenges.

Amanda Selogie:              That’s awesome.

Vickie Brett:                      So, using technology to … what we always talk about, accessibility. That opportunity, I mean that’s another word for it, right? We want the opportunity, but we’re really talking about accessibility to certain things. So, they look for innovators that are doing different things, and if you go on their website, they have all these crazy non-profits.

One of them is [Enable 00:19:42], and they’re a global community, or they service the globe. Basically, they create 3D printed prosthetics. So, it’s like so many I could go on a list, but that’s an example of Google, being the forefront of technology. It may not necessarily be doing it themselves, but they’re giving money to people to do it.

Amanda Selogie:              They recognize the need, and the need for inclusion.

Vickie Brett:                      For the accessibility. I think that’s what that’s about, you have Google, right? That they’ve had.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      I think just kind of getting to something that’s important for parents to understand are the different tools that are available. It’s easy for us: go to Google, you can Google this, but a recent experience that we promised that we would talk about in detail, were the sensory kits at the Staples Center, which you wouldn’t necessarily have Googled that and come across that.

Amanda Selogie:              Right, so we talked a lot in this episode about programs that are specifically designed for kids living with disabilities. But, we also want our kids to be fully included into programs that may not be just typically geared towards those kids, that are geared towards everyone, right?

So, one example is going to either a concert, or a hockey game, or a basketball game at the Staples Center. I’m a big Kings fan, so I had gone to a game earlier this season, and they happened to have these sensory kits. If you go on our Instagram or Facebook, I do a whole video of me opening the kit and showing everything in there.

But, it was such a cool thing that kids can … if maybe it’s too loud, or it’s too bright, or there’s too much over-stimulation at a game like that, but the family really wants their kid to be able to enjoy it because maybe it’s a huge pastime of the family, they can go, and they can rent out these kits.

Vickie Brett:                      Sometimes you forget your noise-canceling headphones, or there is just cool stuff that not everybody is … maybe they will now have a kit like this, but it’s great that the Staples Center recognizes that not everybody knows everything about their child, and even know-

Amanda Selogie:              And what would work or help.

Vickie Brett:                      What would work or help, and it was just like … that was some of the things that other people were just like, “Oh, I don’t get it. Why would you need it?” I don’t know, why do you people take earplugs to concerts? It’s just-

Amanda Selogie:              Or, why do people bring a jacket to a hockey game, because it’s-

Vickie Brett:                      Or, a blanket.

Amanda Selogie:              Cold.

Vickie Brett:                      Or, a blanket.

Amanda Selogie:              Right?

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              So, it’s not the ideal situations for anyone because of the circumstances what you’re doing, or you go to a live concert in the park, and you bring a blanket to sit on. There’s things, there’s tools that we use in our everyday life to help us.

Vickie Brett:                      If you’ve never went to a concert in the park, and you didn’t know that, you would go and be like, “Oh, I’m going to do that next time.” So, I thought that was a great little thing that the Staples Center was doing that they’re in … and you know, other tools that we have come across are therapy dogs, different therapy dogs.

The true type of therapy dogs. I know a lot of people get their certification and whatnot, but a lot of these dogs are helpful. We actually had a client that trained them for vets because her son was living with Autism. She kind of tweaked the training a little bit. I mean, there’s not too much different in the training, but just certain things that her son was going through that she was able to kind of train the dog to be a therapy dog.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, I mean, for kids living with Autism specifically, or even kids with anxiety, having a therapy dog would allow that particular child to be able to access some of these things. So, maybe they don’t need the noise-canceling headphones, but if they had this comfort dog that went with them to … because maybe a crowd overwhelms them.

But, if they were at Disney Land, or a big concert at the park, or even going to the beach, they have this therapy dog that can kind of be their comfort blanket, sort of, in a way. Then, they’ve got something that would allow them to access and be fully included in that activity. It’s a great tool.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, and you see the videos where someone … I don’t know if you saw a video of a woman … I believe it was a woman or man, I can’t think at this point, living with disabilities as an adult, and they recorded their tantrum. They had the camera on them-

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, and the therapy dog came back, and-

Vickie Brett:                      And their dog came … yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              Yes.

Vickie Brett:                      It was just like a really great insight into … I mean, some of these dogs … I remember … I don’t know where I was, but there was a dog and she was nudging her kiddo, and it was because she had low blood pressure.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      She needed … do you remember? Were you with me when that happened?

Amanda Selogie:              I think so, yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      And then we were like, “What the heck?” And they were like, “Oh, the dog is telling her she needs to take her medication. She needs sugar.” We were like, “What?”

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, it’s amazing what you can train these dogs to do.

Vickie Brett:                      I was like, “That is awesome.” Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Amanda Selogie:              So, that’s something that not everyone would think about, and obviously it’s extra work for the parent, but it can be such a useful tool just to have access to other environments that may be more difficult for some of these kids. All of these are … I mean, this is just the tip of the iceberg of how many programs are out there, and how many tools are out there for these kiddos.

But, we just wanted to kind of give a few, and some of the ones that we’ve had experiences with, because it’s important for us to share information that we have because we know not all of the parents out there have all the resources. Even if you’re a teacher, or you’re a therapist, you’re making recommendations because the families that come to you are just … they’re not … sure, they want their kid to be involved in the same type of activities that their peers are involved with, but it’s been difficult, and these are some examples.

Vickie Brett:                      Oh my God, something I just thought of that we were going to put on this list and talk about was … remember it was like the first time you go on an airplane, there’s a non-profit.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, yes.

Vickie Brett:                      She has a warehouse. We’ll get the information and put it in the show notes, but essentially, she recreated-

Amanda Selogie:              A simulator, right?

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, a simulator. She recreated the inside of an airplane, and it just like … what if you want to go on an airplane, and your child with a disability has never been on an airplane? You’re nervous about what’s going to happen. It’s almost like a class, I think. You go for like five weeks or something, and it’s just like, “This is how we act on a plane,” and she has actors and stuff.

You don’t have to reinvent the wheel, and I think that’s something that Jamie, a couple episodes back, the therapist that helped transgender youth, was talking about was that a lot of the kiddos that are in the Midwest, not necessarily in a big city, they find a community online. That’s what we want you guys to know, is there is a community out there that is doing this stuff, and we don’t even know all of it.

Amanda Selogie:              No.

Vickie Brett:                      We would love to see or like,  if you’re listening and your someone that has a program like this, we would love to come and visit.

Amanda Selogie:              We’d love to come and visit. We’d love to have you on to talk about it. I mean, that’s the point of this podcast is to give families and everyone in the community information not only about how to have more of an inclusive society, but how to really bring everyone together and give everyone equal opportunities.

The same goes for if you have an organization that isn’t geared towards kids with specials needs, but you want to find out how to include them, let us know, and we can talk to you about how to maybe better integrate your program. Because, just about anything can be-

Vickie Brett:                      There’s inclusion specialists out there.

Amanda Selogie:              Yes.

Vickie Brett:                      People are getting their educational degrees, or a sub-sector of it, like a minor in inclusion. That’s its own thing now. So, I mean we may not have all the answers, but we’ll find somebody that does.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      So, we hope that you guys are able to kind of use this information to change the conversations that you’re having, and just know that there is a community out there that we want there to be inclusion, and we want that opportunity. That’s the purpose behind the Inclusive Education Project. For more information, go to our website. It’s IEPCalifornia.org, and-

Amanda Selogie:              Or, you can subscribe to this podcast on [Sitcher 00:27:13] Radio, Google Play, or iTunes if you haven’t already. Otherwise, we’ll see you next week, and thank you so much for listening. Bye.

Vickie Brett:                      Bye.

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