Feb / 13

Winter is Coming!: A Look Into the Special Olympics and Paralympics [IEP 015]

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In celebration of the 2018 Winter Olympics, we’re diving into a discussion of the Special Olympics and Paralympics and how these competitions are furthering inclusion in athletics. We’re joined by our legal intern, Phillip Basch, to share our thoughts and excitement for the Winter Olympics.

Full show transcript at the bottom of this post.

What We Discuss in This Episode:

  • What the three main differences are between the Special Olympics and the Paralympics
  • Who can compete in each of the competitions
  • What purposes do the Olympics serve?
  • How the Special Olympics are structured
  • What sports are part of the Special Olympics

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 Full Show Transcript

Vickie Brett:                      Welcome to the Inclusive Education Project. I’m Vickie Brett.

Amanda Selogie:              I’m Amanda Selogie. We’re two civil rights lawyers on a mission, to change the conversation about education, civil rights, and modern activism.

Vickie Brett:                      Each week we’re going to explore new topics, which are going to educate and empower others.

Amanda Selogie:              And give them a platform to enact change in education and level the playing field. Hey everyone. Welcome back to the Inclusive Education Project Podcast.

Vickie Brett:                      Did you forget what this was called?

Amanda Selogie:              No. Look, I can’t even tell you how excited I am about the episode today, because it revolves around one of my favorite things in the world, the Olympics. It’s 10 days away, guys, when we recorded this. I know that this is going to be live right before they start, hopefully, but yeah maybe I forgot because I’m just so excited. We do have a guest today, one of our other interns.

Vickie Brett:                      We’re just forcing our interns to come on the podcast, so it’s not just Amanda and I, and you guys getting bored with us. So, today we have Phillip. I’m not going to say your last name, Phillip, unless you want your last name to be on here.

Phillip Basch:                    You can say it, sure.

Vickie Brett:                      Okay, Phillip Boss?

Phillip Basch:                    Basch.

Vickie Brett:                      Basch, oh, raspberries.

Amanda Selogie:              You [crosstalk 00:01:26], right?

Vickie Brett:                      Raspberries.

Phillip Basch:                    Everyone gets it wrong. It’s okay.

Amanda Selogie:              You know what? I commiserate with you. No one pronounces my name right either.

Phillip Basch:                    I still don’t.

Amanda Selogie:              That’s all right. I think we had one intern once that the whole semester they didn’t say my name right.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              When they answered the phone and I was like, “This is not …” For those of you who don’t know, it’s Selogie. Anyway, so Winter is Coming.

Vickie Brett:                      Oh, I was doing a Snapchat, oh Snapchat, Instagram story, whatever, one, Amanda does not even watch that show, so I don’t know that she knows what that means, but …

Amanda Selogie:              I just hear other people say it all the time, and the Winter Olympics are coming, so don’t make fun of me. Look, the Winter Olympics are starting, so today’s topic, because the world will be watching the Olympics World Games 2018, Winter Olympics, that start on March 8th, I wanted to take just a moment to talk about the Special Olympics World Games, and also the Paralympics. One, because Phillip, and Vickie and I all have experience related to Special Olympics, but also I think a lot of times people aren’t really sure the difference between the Special Olympics and the Paralympic Games.

I wanted to kind of talk about that, and approach that subject and then talk about our experiences and just get everyone all hyped up for the games, because I know I’m excited. I watched … Netflix has this, it only has two episodes right now, but I think every couple of days they’re going to release another one, but it’s basically like Meet Team USA. It’s very exciting. Check it out because …

Vickie Brett:                      Netflix is killing it. I don’t even like what?

Amanda Selogie:              I don’t even know, but I found out about it and I immediately started watching, and then when I found out that there were only two episodes so far, I was very upset because I just wanted to see more, because I’m so excited. The Special Olympics and the Paralympic Games, while they are both organizations that provide an athletic environment and culture for people living with disabilities, they do have their differences.

The three main differences between the two organizations relate to the disability categories that the athletes that compete, the criteria and philosophy under which the athletes compete, and then the structures of individual organizations. I’m going to quickly run down the differences, because I knew some of these differences before doing a little bit of research, but then I wanted to make sure that I had it all down right.

For disability criteria, in the Special Olympics, the athletes must have cognitive delays, intellectual, or developmental disability. The minimum age is eight years old, and the majority of athletes involved are children, although there are some adults that participates, but then they have like age divisions. Athletes involved in the Paralympics sports, on the other hand, are mainly athletes that are living with physical disabilities, as opposed to the intellectual ones.

There are a couple of minor categories in the Paralympics for blind swimmers, and one for swimmers with intellectual disabilities. Let me just tell you, a blind swimmer, that’s probably … They are tough, because I mean, swimming is tough to begin with. I know I swim, but that’s so crazy. You watch them, they’re so inspirational.

But then the criteria and philosophy of the organizations, so the Special Olympics believes in using athletics as an avenue to reach an individual’s like personal maximum potential. No one is excluded or left out based on their skills. All athletes are welcomed and rewarded for working hard, basically trying their best and maximizing their own potential. It’s trying to be inclusive with all people being allowed to be part of athletics.

On the other hand, the Paralympics are athletes that are living with disabilities and are welcomed to train, but the emphasis on an elite level of competition. When we think of Olympics like people who are the best in their field, so to speak. There are qualifying standards, and it’s like the highest level of competition for people with disabilities. Only the top athletes in each category are chosen. It’s very similar in a sense to the competition aspect of the Olympics games.

Vickie Brett:                      Both of these serve as a community, right? We’re always talking about inclusion, community, and the progress with which we always say this and why we have the Inclusive Education Project is like starting the conversation. I think that that’s what’s really great about today’s pod because not only are we kind of breaking down like okay, what’s the criteria? What’s the philosophy? Then Amanda will get into the structure of the organizations, but really like our experiences that we’ll get to talk about and like what we did. Because we were at the World Special Olympics.

Amanda Selogie:              Yes.

Vickie Brett:                      We’ll get into it, but we were in Huntington at the time, that’s where our office was, and so Huntington and Fountain Valley were host cities, but let’s get into the structure of the organization before we talk about that.

Amanda Selogie:              Jumping the gun a little, Vickie. Yeah, then the organization. The Special Olympics is a worldwide organization for athletes with intellectual disabilities with the goal of spreading awareness of inclusion, acceptance, and dignity for all participants. There are actual programs that exist throughout 170 different countries, over 220 programs that operate daily.

We always think of the Olympics and the Paralympics as oh, it’s every four years, but the Special Olympics organization is something that happens all the time. It’s the World Games like Vickie mentioned, that we participated in is that every four years situation, but then the Special Olympics organization does have programs locally, countywide, citywide, statewide, nationwide, and then each country has different programs that have different levels of competitions.

Then the Paralympics is run by the International Paralympic Committee, which is governed by the IOC, which governs the Olympics. When we think of the Winter Olympics that are coming, they are run by the same organization as the Paralympics. You will see the Paralympic Games being the week right after the Olympic Games, whereas the Special Olympics, they have their own kind of calendar.

We were part of the Special Olympics World Games when it was in L.A., that was 2015? Yeah, 2015. So obviously they’re on a different calendar. It is important obviously when we’re talking about these organizations that we know the difference, because I know I’ve heard people say, “Oh, aren’t they the same thing?”

They are different organizations, and it is all about inclusivity, making sure that people living with disabilities are allowed to participate in the same things that everyone else is. These are both very important and amazing organizations that we love. Vickie and I had the benefit of helping out with the World Games when they were in L.A., but Phillip you’ve been involved as well. Tell us about what you’ve been involved in.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah. Just to give you a brief background, I grew up with a twin brother with special needs, and he started participating in the Special Olympics during high school, I want to say. In particular, he started with basketball. My family is a basketball family, so it was a perfect fit for him, but fortunately I was able to help coach occasionally, attend practices and things like that, and just really get a sense of the community, the Special Olympics community.

I think it’s a truly awesome opportunity for a lot of these athletes. One thing I wanted to touch on is that I think what’s great about this is it gives these athletes a place to come and play sports. It’s their own thing. I know growing up with my brother, I grew up playing sports every weekend, and he would always attend my games and stuff like that, proud of me and my accomplishments, and this was his chance to be the main center of focus and I got to go watch him and my family got to go support him. It’s a really cool opportunity for these athletes.

Vickie Brett:                      You said that your family is a basketball family. What L.A. team do you follow, Phillip?

Phillip Basch:                    Oh, the Lakers.

Vickie Brett:                      Okay, that’s what I thought, because that’s what we wanted to hear.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, Vickie was about to have a showdown.

Phillip Basch:                    Clippers fans on the podcast?

Amanda Selogie:              I mean look, I’m an L.A. fan, but the L.A. team that most recently won a championship, the L.A. Kings, anyway.

Vickie Brett:                      It’s not what we’re getting into.

Phillip Basch:                    Changing sports, I don’t know what we did but …

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, changing sports is like completely irrelevant. Erroneous. Objection, Your Honor.

Amanda Selogie:              Hey, you know what? I think the Kings are doing a little better than the Lakers right now.

Phillip Basch:                    No.

Vickie Brett:                      Okay. They’re two different sports.

Phillip Basch:                    That’s true though.

Vickie Brett:                      But two different sports, it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. Anyway, and so your brother was able to get involved, and then you got involved with helping out with coaching. That’s what you had mentioned before.

Phillip Basch:                    With coaching, and I took a little break from doing all of that while I was in college, undergrad at UCLA. Now I’m actually going to start coaching again this spring for the Special Olympics Basketball team in Ventura County, so I’m super excited about that. It’s an awesome opportunity to volunteer and give back to something I really enjoy.

Amanda Selogie:              Just so you guys have a background, Phillip is a law student, about to finish his last year and he’s still doing this on the side. Not every law student does stuff like that, so pretty cool.

Vickie Brett:                      Do you know how many guys you’ll have on the team? Is it guys and girls? Is it just the boys division, like guys division?

Phillip Basch:                    Usually it can be a mix, at least for my brother’s division it can be men and women, but last year and the years prior, I’m pretty sure he just had guys on his team. It’s about 10 to 12 students. It varies on how many adult kids participate.

Vickie Brett:                      The organization, they put on like you’re playing in other teams and then you go like you have divisional like same with if you were on a traditional basketball team, where you go to playoffs in divisional games or championships?

Phillip Basch:                    There can be divisional games. They have like Summer Olympics Games that they’ll have, but that’s through invitation usually. I think they give an opportunity for each county to have their team represent, right?

Vickie Brett:                      Okay.

Phillip Basch:                    But yeah, every few weekends during the season they’ll have tournaments, where they’ll play four to five games, three to five games, something like that, on a Sunday, for example. Then the winners get medals, gold medals, silver medals, and bronze medals, so it’s really cool.

Amanda Selogie:              That’s awesome. I know that I’ve spoken on the podcast about my soccer team. There is a little bit of a difference between like the team that I coach doing soccer, because it’s through AYSO versus Special Olympics. I think it’s a little bit more of a competitive aspect in the Special Olympics than like say with AYSO. AYSO is like a rec league, but in looking at … It’s a great opportunity.

One thing that we tell families all the time is like there are local chapters in Special Olympics all over the place, so I know I have kids that are clients and also kids that I work with that are part of Cal State Long Beach has a division of a lot of the Special Olympics teams. I think it’s even like Cal State Long Beach students that coach and things like that. I know that some of them actually represented in the World Games when we participated in 2015. It’s pretty cool to see.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, it was great. There was the Australian team, and it was I think the guys or if it was a mix, we had only participated with the Aussies, Oi Oi Oi, that’s what they told us to say.

Amanda Selogie:              They did.

Vickie Brett:                      Actually it was just basketball, and then it was also … Sorry, did you mention?

Phillip Basch:                    Soccer.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, soccer.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, so in 2015, we found out that the World Games were going to be in L.A., and we just said, “We have to be part of it. What can we do?” Our office, like Vickie said, was in Huntington Beach at the time. Huntington Beach and Fountain Valley both were sister cities, which meant that athletes coming from other countries, the cities would host them.

Not only in lodging and all of that, but in being a part of our community. They’re like sister cities. Huntington Beach and Fountain Valley, each did their own events, so there was like a parade. There was ceremonies. We had actually the Olympics Torch that came through, which was really cool.

Vickie Brett:                      I think Fountain Valley had Holland, right? Or was it just Australia? Was it just Australia?

Amanda Selogie:              Was it the Netherlands?

Vickie Brett:                      Maybe it was the … Oh sorry, oh God. Now we’re going to get people emailing in. No, yes I’m sorry, it’s the Netherlands. That is correct.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, because we participated with both Huntington Beach and Fountain Valley. Huntington Beach, we actually were volunteers. The way it works is they come out a little bit before the games and then they have practices. We got to come and be like volunteers both I think with the basketball team we were like Fans in the Stands. We came and watched them do practices. Then we actually went to L.A., I think some of the basketball was on USC’s campus.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              We watched a couple. We were like Fans in the Stands, which was really cool to be part of that. Then with Fountain Valley … Oh actually the soccer team, we actually practiced with them, which was so much fun. I got just so many more ideas for just tips and tricks of like just drills to do with my team, which was really cool. We were on the field with them running around. That was fun.

Then with Fountain Valley, they had a carnival, and so we had a booth at the carnival. We got to spend the day with just all these Olympics athletes from other countries. It was such an amazing experience. All you listeners out there, if you ever have an opportunity to be a part of the Special Olympics in some way, or even just be a Fan in the Stands in some of the games, I mean it will change your perspective. It’s amazing.

Vickie Brett:                      When they were created in the ’60s, the end of the ’60s is around the time obviously that when we get into the ’70s, that special education law was created. It’s this movement towards inclusion and opportunity that we were really seeing in the late ’60s, early ’70s obviously once we get into the law, and the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act.

It’s not saying that nothing existed before, but obviously regarding the law, but the Special Olympics this was like a huge thing. It’s a global organization, and that’s why they’re having the World Olympics. I think activities are going like constant. That’s what you were saying like Ventura has their own and so then it’s …

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah, it’s like a year around thing. Different sports at different times of the year.

Amanda Selogie:              I think they have like … A lot of the programs have their own summer games, where it’s more that competitive aspect, and then they can send their players off to the World Games. We got to be in the stands. It was actually at the Coliseum? We got to go, which it’s always a dream of mine to go to the Olympics. We got to go to the opening. No, was it the opening ceremony or the closing ceremony? We got to the opening ceremony of the World Games. Just the parade of athletes all coming out was …

Phillip Basch:                    My brother was there too.

Amanda Selogie:              Was he?

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, did you get to go too?

Phillip Basch:                    No, I didn’t get to go, unfortunately.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, it was so cool.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              Maria Shriver helped organize. She came and she spoke, and it was really cool. They had, I can’t remember who else spoke, but it was …

Vickie Brett:                      Are you kidding me? Michelle Obama.

Amanda Selogie:              Okay, yeah she spoke. She wasn’t there. I would have wished she was there in person, so I could have seen her. No, she was on video.

Vickie Brett:                      No, she wasn’t.

Amanda Selogie:              Yes, she was.

Vickie Brett:                      I have a picture of her. She was there.

Amanda Selogie:              Was she there?

Vickie Brett:                      Yes.

Amanda Selogie:              Why do I …

Vickie Brett:                      Oh my God!

Amanda Selogie:              Why do I think she was on video?

Vickie Brett:                      No.

Amanda Selogie:              Who was on video then? Someone streamed live, was it Barack then that was on video?

Vickie Brett:                      No, no, no. It was like the music … No, no, no, because who was the musical performer? Now, oh great, now she has to look it up. I cannot believe that she doesn’t remember that Michelle Obama was there, even though we were so far away, you could see her arms from far, far, far away because she’s amazing. She did an inspiring speech, and now we have to take the time to look it up, because she doesn’t remember. How dare you?

Amanda Selogie:              I remember her being there, but I thought she was on video because I thought we were saying like it was really … I just want to go and meet her. Is it weird if I say touch her arms, and just ask her how I can get them?

Vickie Brett:                      She was like whisked away, so there was no opportunity for that to happen. Anyway, I will talk to Phillip as you are searching that, because that’s the worst on podcasts when people are like searching and then it’s just like … So, when you were coaching in high school, how often were you guys practicing?

Phillip Basch:                    Once a week usually.

Vickie Brett:                      Okay, once a week, and then it’d just be like on the weekends or whatever.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah, for a few hours.

Vickie Brett:                      You’re doing like scrimmages like with the team and just kind of regular just like how you would …

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah, just like a basic basketball practice.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah.

Phillip Basch:                    A lot of these athletes are pretty good at basketball, pretty good at sports in general. So yeah, pretty much just whatever I would do.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah. Do you know if a lot of them had that opportunity like when they were younger to be involved in their high schools or like?

Phillip Basch:                    I know from my personal experience and some of my brother’s friends, it was difficult for them growing up to participate in sports because of their disabilities. My brother had a lot of behavioral problems growing up that kept him out of the same teams that I played on. So, I think that a lot of these students, this is one of their main opportunities to participate in sports, and that’s why it’s so awesome. It starts at eight years old, and it’s just a community for them to meet other people similar to them, and then they can share their experiences and develop friendships too. It’s pretty awesome.

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah, I mean I know at least for the 2015 Olympics, we saw some younger kiddos.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      Obviously the ones from Australia traveling so far, they were older and they were so much fun to be around, but it’s typically around over 6,000 athletes and it’s like 177 countries. The opening ceremony is just like the Olympics. It was great, because we were sitting there and we were just waiting. Obviously we have different countries that were represented that are like background, so Ecuador for me and then Romania for you, and we were able to see athletes from all those different ones. Did you look it up? What happened?

Amanda Selogie:              I can’t find it right now, but I feel like we posted it on Facebook with videos, because it was a really fun event.

Vickie Brett:                      Wikipedia says, “Officially opened by Michelle Obama.”

Amanda Selogie:              But that doesn’t mean that … I don’t know.

Vickie Brett:                      When did you become this person that’s like just so crazy? No, definitely. She was there. It was great. Like Mayor Villaraigosa obviously had really tried hard to get the bid for it, so it was a great opportunity for them to actually get it, and for L.A. to host it. I’m sure they were doing it in the sense of in preparation for the actual Olympics, which is going on. I don’t know how traffic or anything was affected by that, but it was a good test run I suppose.

Amanda Selogie:              I mean, yeah. When the Olympics are in L.A. in 2028, which I mean I’m pretty much going to buy my season tickets once I can to go to every event, it’s going to be spread out, just like the Special Olympics were. I think there were some events down in Long Beach and then like all over L.A., and it’s going to be the same. They have a lot at UCLA and USC and then when the Olympics are back in L.A., they’re going to use … With the new L.A. football teams who shall not be mentioned because they’re not my team, Phillip, sorry.

Phillip Basch:                    Chargers?

Amanda Selogie:              When they have their new stadium, which I thought it was going to be next year, but …

Phillip Basch:                    I think it’s [inaudible 00:20:01].

Amanda Selogie:              I don’t even think they’ve broken ground on that.

Phillip Basch:                    They’ve broken ground. It’s kind of long.

Amanda Selogie:              Have they?

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, is it?

Phillip Basch:                    Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Amanda Selogie:              Oh, that’s good. Well, because that has to be ready in tiptop shape for the Olympics.

Phillip Basch:                    ’28, it should be good to go.

Vickie Brett:                      A prerecorded message by President Barack Obama was played, while First Lady Michelle Obama gave a speech in person.

Amanda Selogie:              As you can see, Vickie just has to correct me. She can’t just let it go.

Vickie Brett:                      Well, I like how you just took the time to look it up, but then you’re like, “I can’t look it up,” so of course I had to sit here and correct you.

Amanda Selogie:              No, no, no. I was trying to look up our videos because we had taken … Remember we had taken like a million videos, but I had taken them off my phone because obviously that was, what we’re in 2018, so it was three years ago. It takes up a lot of space on your phone, let’s be honest. But the cool part about the Special Olympics is that it has almost all of the same sports that the traditional Olympic Games has.

Just to run it down, there’s the aquatics, there’s athletics, which is I think that includes all of the track and field events, and then the badminton, basketball, bocce ball, bowling, cricket, cycling, equestrian, soccer, football, golf, gymnastics, volleyball, tennis, table tennis actually, softball, sailing, rollerskating, power lifting, marathon, kayaking, judo, and handball are like the main events for the World Games. These local chapters at the Special Olympics are all over.

Like I said, if you have a child and they’re interested in playing a sport, but maybe there’s not … We’ve talked about AYSO being a very big believer in their VIP program, but not every region has them. So, maybe you’re sitting there wanting to get your child involved, but just not sure how, take a look at the Special Olympics website and they have a section where you can see your local chapters. The child doesn’t have to have any prior experience. Like I said, it’s very inclusive of any kid. The goal is for their own individual maximization of potential. It’s not-

Phillip Basch:                    All skill levels.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, which is great, because it’s really an awesome experience to see kids be able to participate in something that they may have watched on TV or watched their siblings play, and be able to say that they’re like a part of that. The kids that we volunteered with, the kids, I mean they were older. I think the ones that we worked with, they were probably like teenagers and early 20s that we hang out with, and they were just so excited to be there.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              They had worked so hard. It was an amazing experience.

Vickie Brett:                      They just kept telling us to talk because we had funny accents.

Amanda Selogie:              Oh yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      We were like, “You guys have funny accents,” so that was a lot of fun. But yeah, no it was … When they come around or if you can get involved, it’s a lot of fun and it’s a nice way to use your time.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Vickie Brett:                      We were really grateful for the opportunity to get the fan in the seats tickets. I think your sister actually got them, so thank you Alyssa for doing that because we had a lot of fun. Because they were having kind of like, it’s not like a carnival like when we were in L.A., but there was all these booths and events and different people, and then there were different types of tools and occupational therapy like yoga balls and all these things that people can use.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, kind of how you would see … I’ve ran half marathons and so there’s someone there to help you if you need to stretch out like the medical tent. They had that too, like people who if the athlete needed to get a massage or just get stretched out or something like that. They had all the resources there available for them, which was really neat. They had a lot of professional athletes too.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              I think like Jamaal Charles was at the opening games or opening ceremony or something like that, and then a lot of athletes that were there and just like part of it.

Phillip Basch:                    Yeah. Then that’s like generally kind of how a lot of the individual tournaments are, like around the counties. I know that Long Beach State puts on a tournament during the summer that I went to a few years ago, and it was exactly like that. They had all the booths, like just a bunch of sponsorships, so it was really cool. It’s really awesome.

Vickie Brett:                      It’s a great opportunity just for the athletes, because it really makes them feel … I mean, I know we call it the Special Olympics, but I mean it really does make you feel really special, and you have to be, like you were talking about with the different stagings, and it’s like oh no, you have to improve. There are certain kind of entry level where it’s just like okay everybody has the opportunity, but they really rise to level and play to their abilities, which is great.

Amanda Selogie:              Yeah, and then like the Paralympics Games, I was watching some videos of some of the United States Paralympics athletes that are … They may have physical limitations, but man, they can probably do so much more. I ran a half marathon last year in Huntington Beach and there was an individual who did the whole half marathon, but he has, I’m going to butcher what he had, but he had not like walkers, but he had braces on his legs, but they were like electronic.

Vickie Brett:                      Okay.

Amanda Selogie:              Like he was paralyzed, but he walked.

Phillip Basch:                    Oh wow.

Amanda Selogie:              He had his walking sticks.

Phillip Basch:                    That’s awesome.

Amanda Selogie:              He did the whole half marathon and it was incredible. I remember I think he got … I don’t remember if he started after us or before us, but I remember at one point … He must have started before us, because at one point I passed him and it was just like everyone going by him and it was just amazing to see. Paralympic athletes, they really have to do so much more to get to that level, but some of them are still just as good of athletes as our traditional Olympic athletes. It’s really cool to see too, how far they can come.

Then for hockey, in the winter games, they have the sledge hockey. If you’ve ever seen like a sledge hockey game, it’s so cool. They’re in their little sledges and they’ve got their sticks. You think hockey is intense, and then you watch sledge hockey and it’s like ooh. So yeah, so the Paralympic Games will be the week right after the Olympics have the rest of their events. That will be starting March 8th, so right after the Super Bowl, which, let’s be honest, I don’t know who’s watching Super Bowl, sorry.

Sorry the Patriots fans. Go Eagles. Anyway, it will be in a couple of weeks, so go ahead and check it out. If you’re looking for more information about how your child might be able to participate in the Special Olympics games or just the local division, you can check out their website. It’s just www.specialolympics.org. There’s a ton of information there for you.

Vickie Brett:                      We want to thank Phillip. Thank you so much for coming on the pod.

Phillip Basch:                    Oh, thanks for having me.

Vickie Brett:                      We really appreciate it. We will see you guys. I always say see you, and it’s just so wrong because it’s like you will hear us next week.

Amanda Selogie:              We will talk to you soon. How about that?

Vickie Brett:                      Yeah.

Amanda Selogie:              Just remember, we’re trying to change the conversation here, and continue to educate and empower for equal opportunities.

Vickie Brett:                      Thanks so much you guys, and we’ll talk to you later. Bye.

Amanda Selogie:              Bye.

Vickie Brett:                      Winter is Coming.

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